|Sail & Rigging - Renewing Swan 431 rods with dyform / wire?|
31 October 2020 - 07:00
Join Date: 06 January 2012
Renewing Swan 431 rods with dyform / wire?
Hi You all Swan lovers!
We've planned to renew the still remaining rods with wire or dyform this winter. They've been inspected and the heads renewed about ten years ago by the PO. Many have said that it'll be quite difficult have the rod ends hydraulically cold pressed here (in Finland). So, with wires then.
What we have now is below (shroud, type, BS in kgf) and all are independent shrouds.
V1: 12,7mm rod, 17.200kgf
V2: 8,5mm rod, 8.000kgf
D3: 8,5mm rod, 8.000kgf
D2: 10mm 1x19 wire, 7.250kgf (renewed 2010)
D1: 12mm 1x19 wire, 10.400kgf (renewed 2010)
They all exceed the minimum breaking strenghts (described at the S&S sail plan) with a good margin.
V1: 14mm dyform, 19.300kgf
V2/D3: one lenght 10mm dyform, 9.700kgf.
With this setup we're able to use all the existing spreader tip fittings, etc and the rigging stays at least as strong as it was. We just have to lock the upper spreader ends to the new V2/D3:s, but thats already solved. I also just happen to have a pair of new Selden 1" stud/toggle rigging screws already acquired. One size too big, but with the help of some hole reducersleeves they fit to the existing chainplates without any hassle.
The total material price of this project (wires, end fittings, pins, but without the rigging screws) will propably be a bit over 2000,- euros according to two offers I've gotten from professionals from Finland and Holland, not bad!
- why not to continue with this plan? Any weak spots?
- what was the original idea of Nautor to use 12,7mm rod for the V1 as it is very strong compared to D2 and V2 which continue from the first spreader tip this V1 ends?
- How do the loads spread from the V1 to and between the V2 and D2?
- what is the correct tension for the D2:s and how to set it before the mast is raised again next spring?
BTW I tested it with mast already lowered horizontal to the ground. I tensioned the main shrouds as tight as I could with some pulleys to measure the actual shroud lenghts. The D2:s just begun to tighten when the V1:s were already quite tight. Not a very scientific approach but the best at that time.
Soon (?) will we be sailing again!
IHe, S431-12, Finland
31 October 2020 - 12:46
Join Date: 02 January 2008
A few comments about your proposal
If you have all required dimensions, new rods can be ordered from the Navtec outlet in France, but in Finland there is no Navtec heading machine any more.
Pls note that Dyform strands have quite sharp edges, and this may damage your sails.
If rod is replaced with wire, in addition to strength it is also good to look at stretch - the wire should be stretch equivalent with the rod.
It is important that end fitting pins and forks fit exactly, a bad fit will reduce their life length.
Norseman non-swaged terminals were used originally for the wire rigging, and although they are not available any more, the recommendation is to use similar non-swaged terminals for long rigging life.
How to pre-tension the shrouds is described in the ClassicSwan Manual section in the document named Rigging Setting Up.
01 November 2020 - 08:10
Join Date: 06 January 2012
Hi Lars, and thanks for You advice!
Sail chafe with dyform was something I did not think of before. Good point. Swageless fittings are still available (up to 16mm wire?) from Petersen and Sta-Lok, both from the UK. But as my plan is to go with a bit oversized Dyform shrouds I'll propably have the end fittings swaged.
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