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10 May 2008 - 20:11
#1
Join Date: 27 February 2007
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Anchors & Bow Rollers - Swan 38
Greetings,

What anchor size/type fits best on the original bow rollers for the Swan 38?

Looking to get a 45lb anchor for the existing roller, and I am curious as to what is being used by others.

Also, if anybody has made any modifications to their existing bow rollers, please let me know.

It would also be great if we could see some pics of other setups as well.

Thanks everyone.

-Nathan
s/v Inspiration 38/090

10 May 2008 - 21:05
#2
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Dear Nathan,
I've got an original 32 lbs CQR and 60 m of 8 mm chain, never had problems.
Fair wind
Matteo (38/067 Only You)

02 June 2008 - 14:49
#3
Join Date: 31 January 2007
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Nathan,

additional to Matteos info.

Nautor provides special holders which you can weld to the original roller  on the boat.

The price is high but very comfortable help in rough weather.

fair winds

 

Jan

Swan 38/85 " kalliope

 

 

02 June 2008 - 18:31
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Join Date: 30 January 2007
Posts: 461

I have a similar question for other owners of the S&S 411.
My present anchor is a 35lb CQR with 8mm chain but it seems a bit undersized for a 41&prime boat. I have tried to fit a 44lb Delta but the bow roller would not allow it. Will I have the same problem with a 44lb CQR?
As previously requested, I would appreciate advices and pictures, if possible.

Thank you
Daniel, 411/004 Luna Menguante

02 June 2008 - 19:38
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Dear Daniel,
Stefano had the same problem with Oracabessa, then he switched to a 10 mm chain and did not change the original CQR same size as yours, never hed problem again with his moorings
Fair wind!
Matteo (38/067 Only You)

03 June 2008 - 21:43
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Join Date: 31 July 2007
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Dear Nathan: Attached is a picture of an anchor roller I crafted for Cygnus. The anchor in the picture is a 35 lbs Danforth Hi-tensile. I found that it holds better in soft mud than my 35 lbs CQR but the roller is wide enough to accept the CQR and the pin hole you see accepts a pin that goes thru the loop at the top of the CQR. Hope that helps. Pete Lange

09 June 2008 - 18:35
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Join Date: 02 February 2007
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Bow roller, and anchor type:

on our 41/022 we have a 20 Kg Spade anchor, and 60m of 10mm chain. The lot works really well (tested to more than 50 Kts in a thunderstorm, bottom was soft sand and weeds). The shackle is a 10mm Wichard with a V head screw rather than the standard type, so the overall width is similar to the chain.

Only modification: we added two stainless steel flanges screwed to the original ones, against which the anchor is resting, and allowing for the front axle to also sit higher. Can send pictures if you are interested.

Fair winds and kind regards. Philippe.

27 March 2016 - 20:37
#8
Join Date: 25 April 2012
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Bow roller, and anchor type:

on our 41/022 we have a 20 Kg Spade anchor, and 60m of 10mm chain. The lot works really well (tested to more than 50 Kts in a thunderstorm, bottom was soft sand and weeds). The shackle is a 10mm Wichard with a V head screw rather than the standard type, so the overall width is similar to the chain.

Only modification: we added two stainless steel flanges screwed to the original ones, against which the anchor is resting, and allowing for the front axle to also sit higher. Can send pictures if you are interested.

Fair winds and kind regards. Philippe.

Can you send me the picture? I am thinking of buying a spade. Thank you filippo

 

29 March 2016 - 17:13
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Join Date: 02 February 2007
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This is always a popular subject for discussion. We had a Bruce on Black Tie which always held well. On Tigris we had a couple of drags in Croatian squalls which are sudden and strong. So after much reading, as there is a lot of "religion" on anchor types, we bought a 70kg Rocnar which is attached to 100 metres of 13.5mm chain and we definitely have more grip in sand than we had with the CQR. I'm sure there are some downsides to this design, but we anchor a lot, and particularly when sailing short handed it is important to hold first time, every time! We have fitted some large nylon blocks to locate the shank which is narrower thank the CQR one in the bow roller. Interestingly, the whole lot weighs around 500kg.

29 March 2016 - 19:59
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Join Date: 02 February 2007
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Dear Mascifil,

it will take a few weeks before I can send you a picture as I am not near Soeur Anne, but I will.

I also thing that the Rockna is a good choice (probably less expensive?) but never had the opportunity to test it.

It might be better in weeds than the Spade, as it seems sharper.

But we always do our best to anchor in sandy spots, and never had any problem with it.

Kind regards.

Philippe

26 April 2016 - 11:46
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Join Date: 02 February 2007
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Here are the pictures.  can also send you a drawing of the stainless steel stops  which are bolted on each side of the original stem pieces.

Kind regards.

Philippe

27 April 2016 - 22:18
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Join Date: 15 April 2011
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Dear Nathan: Attached is a picture of an anchor roller I crafted for Cygnus. The anchor in the picture is a 35 lbs Danforth Hi-tensile. I found that it holds better in soft mud than my 35 lbs CQR but the roller is wide enough to accept the CQR and the pin hole you see accepts a pin that goes thru the loop at the top of the CQR. Hope that helps. Pete Lange

Hi Peter,

Thanks for the picture.  Does your anchor hit your chocks?

Chris  Mabel's Casse Tete 43/003

27 April 2016 - 23:45
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Join Date: 31 July 2007
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No, it does not! Attached is a picture

 

28 April 2016 - 00:57
#14
Join Date: 15 April 2011
Posts: 393

Dear Peter,

Thank you for posting the picture.

The Professor has a solution for me which requires a new bow roller.  Here is a picture of the newly purchased chocks sitting on my deck.  

Fair Winds,

Chris Mabel's Casse Tete  43/003

06 September 2016 - 14:23
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Join Date: 26 April 2010
Posts: 33

Dear Peter,

Thank you for posting the picture.

The Professor has a solution for me which requires a new bow roller.  Here is a picture of the newly purchased chocks sitting on my deck.  

Fair Winds,

Chris Mabel's Casse Tete  43/003

hi, what a beautifull "chocks"; where did you purchase these? I recall somewhere a forum item addressing this but I could find..

 

with best regards, Aernoud "Croix du Cygne", 37'

29 September 2016 - 17:27
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Join Date: 15 April 2011
Posts: 393

Dear Aernoud,

I apologize for my delayed reply.  Let me look and I will post the site.  I looked 2-3 months ago and they had many pairs.  

The Professor, of course, found these for me!

I may have an extra set but the cost of shipping will likely make it easier for you to purchase directly.

I'll write again within a week.

Fair Winds

Chris Mabel's Casse Tete 43/003

29 September 2016 - 19:38
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Join Date: 15 April 2011
Posts: 393

Dear Aernoud,

Here is the location of my original note:  http://www.classicswan.org/forum/post_thread.php?thread=1917

Good luck!

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