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S&S Swan General - SS "built by" tag
20 November 2015 - 23:18
#1
Join Date: 04 July 2009
Posts: 45

SS "built by" tag
Has anyone found a replacement source for the aluminum SS patch that states the hull number and build date of our Swans? My patch on my 43 hull number 39 is in pretty tough shape and I'd like to replace it. As I redo everything else on my boat this "badge" stands out because of it's poor condition.

21 November 2015 - 09:16
#2
Join Date: 23 October 2011
Posts: 150


Hi,
are you sure that you are dealing with the original plate?
Mine is brass, and it is the only metal that I can polish with satisfaction in my boat.
I have more problems with the copper plate on the main bulwark stating the displacement..
fair winds,
Matteo
Grampus 47/016

21 November 2015 - 09:27
#3
Join Date: 23 October 2011
Posts: 150


Hi,
are you sure that you are dealing with the original plate?
Mine is brass, and it is the only metal that I can polish with satisfaction in my boat.
I have more problems with the copper plate on the main bulwark stating the displacement..
fair winds,
Matteo
Grampus 47/016

Oops, bulkhead.. I am not sure of the number on the copper plate. It might be a registered number from an institution. Surely pur professor would know, and most of you..

21 November 2015 - 09:34
#4
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear JPMCK & Matteo,

the oldest S&S Swans had aluminum plates and not brass ones, I am pretty sure they are not in production today alas

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

21 November 2015 - 17:02
#5
Join Date: 23 October 2011
Posts: 150


This is the picture of the brass (not much polished) plate of my boat...
Fair Winds !
Matteo 45 (Grampus 47/016

21 November 2015 - 20:16
#6
Join Date: 27 September 2012
Posts: 38

This is the "polished and varnished" one in our boat.

21 November 2015 - 23:29
#7
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear Ice,

why did you screw it from the recto?

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

22 November 2015 - 17:07
#8
Join Date: 02 January 2008
Posts: 1547

Dear Jpmck
Would suggest you go to the thread dated 23 June 2010 where the reasons for the yard's strict policy with plaques are explained.
The old aluminium plaques in fact contain more information - Lloyds Register of Shipping is also mentioned, and a date when their last inspection was done.
It would be advisable to replace the aluminum plaque at some stage as long as the markings still can be read.

Dear Matteo45
Tonnage plates on the main bulkhead do not show displacement, but tonnage, which is a volume. For British tonnage the volume unit is 100 cu.ft which equals 2.83 cu.m. This has been explained earlier.

Kind regards
Lars

22 November 2015 - 23:18
#9
Join Date: 23 October 2011
Posts: 150

dear Lars,
thank you very much, I made a confusion. Tonnage, net or gross, is traslated in Italian as "Stazza" and is a classical measure for cargo loading.
Thank you always for your precious comments,
Matteo45 (grampus 47/016)

23 November 2015 - 07:58
#10
Join Date: 27 September 2012
Posts: 38

Dear Ice, why did you screw it from the recto? Fair winds! matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

Sorry for my bad English but what do you mean with "recto"?

23 November 2015 - 09:57
#11
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear Ice,

sorry, my fault (actually Latin and not English), I was just asking why it is screwed from the front side with two screws instead of the rear one, where you should have four small screw holes

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

25 November 2015 - 20:38
#12
Join Date: 27 September 2012
Posts: 38

Dear Ice, sorry, my fault (actually Latin and not English), I was just asking why it is screwed from the front side with two screws instead of the rear one, where you should have four small screw holes Fair winds! matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

Hello Matteo,

Because this way it was easier to mount the plaque behind the stair. And now we have no holes on the other side (master bedroom).

Regards,
Ice / Swan 44 "RepoMan"

26 November 2015 - 18:01
#13
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear Ice,

wise option!

Fair winds

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

27 November 2015 - 20:32
#14
Join Date: 04 July 2009
Posts: 45

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your comments. This is the aluminium plate I have. I guess I'll have to try to have something new made.

John
43 REBECCA

27 November 2015 - 21:09
#15
Join Date: 20 March 2011
Posts: 88


Dear John

If you are going to look for a duplicate plaque, try Luca Ferron, in Italy. He is an artist who has done some paintings and half models for members on this site.

A while back he was advertising a Nautor Mast key fob he was making which used an aluminum plaque identical to the originals we have on our masts and spin poles. That plaque uses the same process and materials I believe as the built by plaque you are looking for.

If he is game to do this, maybe I'll have him make one for me as well, I have the same style plaque. There is a photo under "Swans by S&S" on this site.

Good luck.

Tonyh 44-004 Hatha

29 November 2015 - 19:43
#16
Join Date: 04 July 2009
Posts: 45

Tony,

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try to contact him.

John

03 December 2015 - 18:13
#17
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear S&S Swan Association Members,

those of you who have a worn plaque, or worst than that, a missing one, please contact me

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

16 December 2015 - 20:54
#18
Join Date: 27 November 2011
Posts: 4

Dear S&S Swan Association Members, those of you who have a worn plaque, or worst than that, a missing one, please contact me Fair winds! matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

Dear Matteo,
When we bought swan 41 / 45 Smile, the bronze plate at the chart table was missing. On the forum previously, it was stated that a replacement wasn't available. If there is a possibility the situation has changed, I would be really interested in acquiring one.
I don't contribute to the forum as everyone appears to be so knowledgable and covers all the subjects imaginable so thoroughly.
Thank you for all the effort you put into running the association.
Smile41/45

17 December 2015 - 00:17
#19
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear Friends,

thanks for your replies (on the forum and on my mailbox), noted all of them

I hope to get you very good news on this matter at the beginning of January.

If there is someone else who has the worn tag, please contact me without hesitation!

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

20 January 2016 - 07:05
#20
Join Date: 29 January 2007
Posts: 1014

Dear Friends,

thanks for your patience!

New replacement tags (the very old model 60 x 70 mm, anodized aluminum) are now in production and should be ready in a few weeks.

We have an agreement with Nautor to give replacement tags only to those S&S Swan Owners and S&S Swan Association Members, who are 100% eligible and have the original ones worn out (which should be sent back to us).

Please stay tuned with us!

Fair winds!

matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

28 January 2016 - 01:59
#21
Join Date: 31 July 2007
Posts: 88

Dear Friends, thanks for your patience! New replacement tags (the very old model 60 x 70 mm, anodized aluminum) are now in production and should be ready in a few weeks. We have an agreement with Nautor to give replacement tags only to those S&S Swan Owners and S&S Swan Association Members, who are 100% eligible and have the original ones worn out (which should be sent back to us). Please stay tuned with us! Fair winds! matteo (47/069 Vanessa)

Dear Matteo and all others:
Wonderful! New, genuine replacement tags! And I may qualify for one with Cygnus 040/012. Cygnus is now 45 years old and looks it. Like me with white hair, wrinkles and belly. But how do you feel when I say it is a mark of distinction? I am old, have an old boat and we have traveled together for a lifetime and the tag has become old as well. I almost feel that it would be a betrayal to install a new tag. Let me submit another image: I have an old Mercedes 280SL, a 1969 model and it also has the old, original tag showing S/N and other pertinent data. And the tag shows its age as well. But I am almost certain, if I were to replace it, some judge at a show would deduct points for such a transgression. I would just love to hear from other members on this subject!

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